Over the top cure?

[smooth]

Hi all, firstly thanks for a great site...

I'm fighting an over the top move in my downswing (on video my right shoulder moves *out* ever so slightly instead of *down*). This is enough to cause a shank in the short irons or pulls

After reading around here i know that the right shoulder has to go down, what is the best way to train this when you've been used to it going out for so long (been playing with it 15 years or more i guess) (again it's only a small move maybe an inch or so)

Drills etc more than welcome !!

Thanks

[comdpa]

Hi all, firstly thanks for a great site...

I'm fighting an over the top move in my downswing (on video my right shoulder moves *out* ever so slightly instead of *down*). This is enough to cause a shank in the short irons or pulls

After reading around here i know that the right shoulder has to go down, what is the best way to train this when you've been used to it going out for so long (been playing with it 15 years or more i guess) (again it's only a small move maybe an inch or so)

Drills etc more than welcome !!

Thanks

Start by hitting shots with your toes up in the air.

I suspect from reading your post that your weight may be moving a tad too much from heel to toe during your startdown move, which results in the ensuing OTT.

[chestnuts]

Could also be not having a 2" hip slide allowing you hands to drop down on plane. Instead of having to go ott to get back to the ball and the throwaway that goes with it.

[smooth]

Start by hitting shots with your toes up in the air.

I suspect from reading your post that your weight may be moving a tad too much from heel to toe during your startdown move, which results in the ensuing OTT.

The weight seems to be ok, it's just the initial 'spin out' move at the top... is only an inch or so that the right shoulder moves out instead of straight down.

The problem is i can't feel it happening so need to feel something different... knowing what you should do and doing it with a ball there is a challenge...

One drill that i have been doing is hitting balls with the right foot back - that is working well but as soon as i go back to my normal address position the spinning out starts a happenin...

[mrodock]

Try not moving your head laterally in the transition. If you keep the head in roughly the same position as you were at the top you should move that right shoulder down-plane.

matt

[comdpa]

...One drill that i have been doing is hitting balls with the right foot back - that is working well but as soon as i go back to my normal address position the spinning out starts a happenin...

That is a pretty good indicator that you have a slight OTT.

[smooth]

That is a pretty good indicator that you have a slight OTT.

Yep i rescue most of them with a slight pull. It's the ssshanks that are the killer when i have that slight OTT move and don't pull the hands in closer to the body

I've even resorted to hitting my short irons with the right foot back as per the drill - works ok but lost a couple of clubs worth of distance.

Any other drills or swing thoughts out there??

[bambam]

Any other drills or swing thoughts out there??

These have worked for me...

hit some balls over the first/second baseman's head

balance - make sure you're not on your toes, especially as you start down

quiet hips, especially the right hip. think slide instead turn. really, just stay out of the way of the shoulder and right arm.

Try thinking about what your right shoulder is doing, if it goes out first (like a baseball swing), you can't help but be OTT. Somebody recently posted a nice drill where you place a long club across your shoulders with the club head out to the right (for a righty), then try to hit the ball. You'll miss the ball, but you'll be able to see the correct right shoulder plane.

[strav]

Start by hitting shots with your toes up in the air.

OK, I've tried this but my head feels too close to the ground and I keep hitting everything fat. Am I doing something wrong?

[EdZ]

Hi all, firstly thanks for a great site...

I'm fighting an over the top move in my downswing (on video my right shoulder moves *out* ever so slightly instead of *down*). This is enough to cause a shank in the short irons or pulls

After reading around here i know that the right shoulder has to go down, what is the best way to train this when you've been used to it going out for so long (been playing with it 15 years or more i guess) (again it's only a small move maybe an inch or so)

Drills etc more than welcome !!

Thanks

A couple additional areas to check at setup that can contribute

an overly wide stance

a left foot that is too 'square' to the line at address

A right forearm that is too high at address (bad grip)

Shoulder line open at address

All of these limit your ability to pivot properly.

Hit some shots with your feet together until you can stay in balance.