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Old 02-10-2012, 12:41 AM
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I love Power Golf . The right arm straightening from drawing 1 to 2 .. is that what your working on? Id say thats a product of the Left Arm getting throw off ... #4 and a Plane Shift . It'd be way easier to get his right elbow past his right hip like this, get to Pitch. Cant get stuck like this or flip release cause the hip blocks the elbow. This might be what Tiger is working too. Hmmm gonna goof with that myself.... trying to get the fully bent right elbow in front of the hip is way harder to pull off, need a huge hole , clearing .

As for the alignment of the right forearmL The camera might not be perfectly aligned etc but never the less in the second drawing his forearm points above the plane line to my eye. If you draw a line up from the ball through the #3pp the Right Elbow is under plane as it should be .. But Im open to correction.


I just can't see how the right forearm gets on the inclined plane prior to Release or at the Release Point or prior to Impact even IF the Right Forearm Flying Wedge stays intact .

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Old 02-10-2012, 12:29 PM
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For the swinger I think they key is the #3accumulator roll and the pivot and the horizontal hinge, once the wrist uncocks the right arm is not doing hardly any straightening, everything is just rolling over the pivot turning around the post, fanning, underhand pitch motion the pivot carrying the right arm incidentally forward. Haha do u post from iPhone as well? I keep getting goofy predictive texts like uncork... Anyways, I think if the right arm is straightening too much down there it would be extending the power package forward rather than rolling over and around the hinge. I think the wedges are still in tact so long as you are using that strong single action grip...plane of the right wrist bend at 90 degrees to the left wrist cock, it's just that the wrist is cocked and turned on the plane. Re pictures are not great and u could draw lines through many different points and see it pointin a few places but that's beside the point. But it's easy to see when te right arm gets down there as in the second picture then the wrist starts doing it's job and the right arm kind just stayed there while the wrist uncocks on plane

Power golf and Sam sneads how to play golf are my go to books that aren't yellow idk y no one talks about power golf more it has soooo many good pictures

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Old 02-11-2012, 01:31 PM
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There's some stuff he says in Power Golf thats really good too. That book maybe doesn't get its due. I was talking to Yoda last night and snuck in a quick question about this right forearm thing. We didn't talk very long about it but basically he was confirming your line of thinking . Went something like this: "When does the Right Forearm lay flat to the Inclined Plane in the downstroke?" Yoda: "When the Right Elbow returns to the Elbow Plane". I asked him if you could trace with the right forearm . " #3pp".

On the inclined plane in Release this alignment of RFFW to the Inclined Plane would not mean the face is pointing at the ball... if you know what I mean. Geometry again. The face would point out to right field . But Im still a little vexed about the implications to hinge actions... gonna let this stew for a bit in the mental crock pot.

Speaking of the Slammer here's one of my favourite photos ever of any golfer. (Ted sent me this one, thank you Luke). Love the wrist conditions.. The left wrist is not flat here.......nor should it be . Also a Yoda and Ted insight.

Its like a mirror image of the backswing. His right palm lays flat to the plane, his left hand is Turned and Cocked. And his hands have returned to their Bent Left , Flat Right condition!!!

This is what Yoda wants me to do to free up my (swingers) flail ... no point freewheeling the backswing and then blocking the Finish Swivel .. that'd slow you down and take you off plane. Like a lot of guys I cooked up some anti hook hold off years back... thing is it wasn't the cause of the lefts to begin with. Im trying to get rid of the arched left at impact too. Trying to delay release more by getting my elbow deeper. Speaking of which your Release looks later!!! Is the ball liking it?

When I get the wrist conditions right at Top and Finish Swivel good things happen! I can just think about the Three Stations and let the thing flow. "Give up control to gain control" as Knudson said. It reminds me of the Wild Bill Melhourne drills or the MacDonald drills in terms of the feel. Lag and drag in both directions.

Yoda and Ted ... those guys are good.
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:35 PM
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Matter fact, if someone wants a golfing machine swingers pattern "for dummies" Sam Snead's How to Play Golf and secondly Davis Love jr.'s How to Feel a Real Golf Swing are incredible. The pictures and descriptions in both books especially Snead's are exceptionally accurate and simple and perfectly describe the swinger's motion
Also off topic I'm hitting My bh pc 9 iron 170 yards and i am of very small stature... This stuff works...

Yea I think when first discovering lag and forward lean flw Tgmers tend to forget that lag is an action, a motion not a position to be thrown forward at the ball rather lag it through the ball

Also regarding tracing through the forearm or #3pp he didn't say trace with the forearm, refer to bold

"so with the downstroke waggles, verify-- through the hands only--that the right elbow will be on plane before triggering to assure accurate tracing for the follow through. Especially with Delayed Release this will rotate the left hand in a swiveling action as required for rhythm"

Through the hands only of course means through the #3pp

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Old 02-11-2012, 03:12 PM
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by whip View Post
Matter fact, if someone wants a golfing machine swingers pattern "for dummies" Sam Snead's How to Play Golf and secondly Davis Love jr.'s How to Feel a Real Golf Swing are incredible. The pictures and descriptions in both books especially Snead's are exceptionally accurate and simple and perfectly describe the swinger's motion
Also off topic I'm hitting My bh pc 9 iron 170 yards and i am of very small stature... This stuff works...

Yea I think when first discovering lag and forward lean flw Tgmers tend to forget that lag is an action, a motion not a position to be thrown forward at the ball rather lag it through the ball

Also regarding tracing through the forearm or #3pp he didn't say trace with the forearm, refer to bold

"so with the downstroke waggles, verify-- through the hands only--that the right elbow will be on plane before triggering to assure accurate tracing for the follow through. Especially with Delayed Release this will rotate the left hand in a swiveling action as required for rhythm"

Through the hands only of course means through the #3pp
The P.C.s were one of my faves. Im using the mp 32's still but always played pure blades previously. I don't remember the hogan 9 iron going 170 personally. Might want to check those lofts man. http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/i...cons/icon7.gif

Have you noticed much added distance with the delayed release?

When you say lag is a motion not an action etc .... I know you got it. Thats exactly it. You get back to fix with a lagging club head via motion, lag you don't "cop" the position of pose for it. Its like all he guys trying to hold onto angles . You don't hold on to anything in a literal sense. . That won't work. You don't cock your wrists by cocking your wrists , you don't hold on to wrist cock by holding on to wrist cock.......its a motion with momentum. Momentum does both.

This is swinger talk live folks. Hitters can go get a beer or something.
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Old 02-11-2012, 08:36 PM
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I should mention snead's book is great but there is no substitute for the golfing machine...

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Old 02-24-2012, 03:04 PM
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Posture and extensor
A couple things that have helped me lately is feeling like my heart is trying to face the sky, this gets my upper body in a better posture also feeling extensor below plane as it should be almost vertical
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Old 02-24-2012, 03:59 PM
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A couple things that have helped me lately is feeling like my heart is trying to face the sky, this gets my upper body in a better posture also feeling extensor below plane as it should be almost vertical
What section(s) in the swing are you talking about here?
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:48 PM
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Throughout the whole motion maintain extensor and proud posture
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